UFO's - UAP's - ET'S AND DEMONS
By Larry White
April 25, 2022
"... and I do not wish you to have fellowship with demons." 1Cor. 10:20Another problematic issue that is becoming more evident in recent years that may sooner or later impact the present generation of people, is the identity of our extraterrestrial visitors, putatively from "other planets", which an increasing percentage of the world's population are now witnessing the obvious evidence of their presence in our sky. Now our own U.S.A. government has finally deigned to tell us that they are "real" after 50+ years of denial and telling us we were crazy. But conveniently, they say they do not know what they are, which carries on the policy of lying to the People.
"Anomalous lights in the sky"
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object
UAP = Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon
ET = ExtraterrestrialThe majority of UFO researchers believe that the Extraterrestrials are indeed from other places in our galaxy. Some think they are monsters, while some think that they are benevolent, friendly and want to establish relationships with them. There are a few who think that they are the ones who altered our DNA in the prehistorical past and made us into the humans we are today, assigning ET the role of our divine creators. Still others think that they are us; future humans who are time travelling back to correct some things in their past. But most if not all have made theories about ET's without taking into account all of what we know of them.
There are a few researchers of the Extraterrestrial phenomena that have concluded that ET's are not from distant planets at all, but rather from another dimension or realm of existence and are intruding into our realm to interact with us. Anyone looking into the UFO phenomenon will come to realize that very few researchers, if any at all, believe in God and especially not in Jesus Christ. Therefore their concept of another dimension is not necessarily understood in terms of the spiritual realm with which true Christians are familiar.
As Christians, if we take what the scriptures say is real as reality itself, then the truth about who we are as humans and the spiritual nature of God, his Kingdom and his domain in heaven, informs our understanding that there are, only a few different types of spirit beings that inhabit our universe.
1. Deity: The Father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
2. Servants: among these are a few distinct beings in Heaven, namely:
a.) The Seven Spirits of God: They are before the throne of God and do his bidding. They are the eyes of the Lord who run to and fro through the whole earth. Their type symbol is the Lamp Stand. (Rev. 4:5, Zech. 4:10)
b.) The Cherubim: These appear to be the living creatures that are before his throne in the aspect of having four faces: Man, Lion, Calf, and Eagle. Their type symbol are the cherubim on the lid of the Ark of the covenant.
(I interpret these as that which gives animate live to every living creature on the earth, and who impart that life from Jesus Christ who actually is the Life.)
Scientists are struggling with trying to understand what life is and its origin, spending trillions of tax dollars to find those answers and to find life anywhere else in the universe - and all this, without belief in God or acknowledgement of who created life. Life is a Soul, which must have a living and divine origin.
c.) Angels: are those which seem to be higher forms as God's servants who do his bidding and are sent to help with his plan of saving mankind. These are angels, which means Messengers. They say they serve God and keep his will which is indicative of a free-will being who chooses to obey God. (Rev. 22:9)3. Demons: these are those beings, former angels, who chose otherwise and disobey God and rebel against Him from the time of creation till today. Jesus and the Apostles called these beings Demons, Devils, Unclean spirits, Evil spirits, and Spirits of divination. There was one Jesus called called Satan, which means adversary and seemed to be the leader of all the rest. In the book of revelation he is symbolized as a dragon and his angels. (Rev. 12:7)
4. Mankind: The ones created in the image of God, and not simple animals.
"You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor, and did set him over the works of your hands: You have put all things in subjection under his feet." Heb. 2:7-8
In the image of God means that man is a spirit, and has innate divine attributes. He has free will, an intellect that can recognize design and purpose, he has the ability to create and to destroy, and has a reasoning and self-reflective mind, by which he can find God, who is also a spirit. Above all, he can love, which is the reflection of his creator.
As a man who believes God and what he says in his word, those listed above are the only beings I have with which to understand the UFO phenomenon.
I suspected these "aliens" were demons by their behavior and by what they said about themselves to all the people who were being abducted by them. I ruled out physical travelers from far distant galaxies since, based on what we actually know and observe of outer space, that would be impossible. They could only be angels, demons, or humans. But since angels do not act like that, I concluded that they are demonic.
I suspected this back in 1975 when I attended an astronomy course in De Anza College in California and learned the night sky by heart. I was then able to recognize what should be in the sky and what should not be. The National Security Agency (or No Such Agency) was exposed as spies on the American people in the Echelon program, a multi-national spy operation that vacuums up all communications world wide and began violating human rights across the globe. I suspected an evil "black government" plot with "ET" demons calling the shots; technology for access to human abductions - only now, since Christ's kingdom rules over all, I believe they have been denied the ability to possess men like they did in the first century before Christ established his kingdom.
Their present physical forms in which they appear, I think, are genetically altered animals which they can inhabit since animals have a living soul but without a spirit which only humans have. So they appear as humanoid reptiles, humanoid insects (mantises) or little grey beings which are probably some form of genetically altered humans which were not born. And lately they now can appear as Nordic humans. Therefore abductees are told by the ET's themselves that they are conducting a hybridization project to get themselves back into human flesh. They tell abductees that they need human bodies in order to live on the Earth and it's environment because their species destroyed the planet that they came from. I think this is a cover story and fictitious.
However, the human body of flesh with its accompanying soul is what is required of a spirit to transcend to the level of the divine. We must be born of a woman, then we must be reborn of water and spirit to enter into the spiritual kingdom of God. It could be that once kicked off the bus, i.e. exorcized in the first century, they are trying to regain a seat and partake of flesh and blood, in an attempt to regain what they lost during their rebellion long ago. i.e. to get back into heaven. A good example of that could possibly be the 6000 demons cast out of a man in Gadara on the coast of the Sea of Galilee, who were allowed by Jesus to inhabit a herd of swine and then kill themselves by running into the water. The importance of this event is evident when we consider what happens to demons who were not cast into the Abyss, but instead into animals who die.
What happens to a demon when his non-human host dies? It is my opinion right now that they are released into the environs of the Earth and solar system. That is why they are still hanging around the earth and mankind. But not being able to possess humans any longer, they are now trying to get into human flesh that is not inhabited by a human spirit. I have nothing to back this up but conjecture based upon the story of Legion (Mark 5:9; Luke 8:30) and what all these ET-demons say of themselves. My personal opinion is that all the demons in our local environment are actually members of that Legion that Jesus allowed to escape the Abyss.
"Known unto God are all this works from the beginning of the world." (Acts 15:18)
Be that as it may, no one considers the process that they would have to use to get "into" this new body without a natural birth and what that would tell us about ET's nature. If ET were natural beings with mothers birthing them and then living and growing old and dying, there would not be all these attempts to get a different body, nor the stratagems to abduct a mother, steal her fetus and inject themselves somehow into the natural life.
Some abductees are now admitting that what is lacking in the ET's is a soul and so have disclosed that there is a machine that removes the soul or life force from a person for the use of ET's living on the earth. [Taken, by Karla Turner, Ph.D.] However, I think that information might have been an overlay screen to satisfy Dr. Turner's curiosity. My opinion is that there is no such machine with that capability. Also, they don't need souls apart from a human body, they need a human body born by a woman that already comes with a soul. Soul is psyche, ψυχή in Greek and is the animal life which animates any living creature on the earth.
Of course this is all speculation, but if one knows anything about ET's personal claims, their abilities and their intra-realm behavior, and then compare it to demons, their identity in this regard might be something to question. These are issues that John E. Mack, a Harvard psychiatrist, writer and professor at Harvard Medical School was researching and pursuing in his book Abduction, before later being run down in the street by a car while lecturing in London.
A further issue is that the implications of the ET's being demons are far reaching when we consider the reports that our own military complex are working closely with them in a shadow government with multiple Trillion dollar black projects. Many people have commented on the question of why ET's hide their identity and even their existence and not rather land on the White House lawn. Why all the darkness?
Simple; they are not who they say they are.
1. They demonstrate inter-dimensional properties, abilities and behaviors.
2. They are secretive and the majority of time functioning in the dark.
3. They have little regard for human life and are cruel.
4. They do not speak except through telepathic means. I and many other people have noticed that when they communicate telepathically they must be within a few feet of we humans in order for us to hear them. But when certain people in the CE5 Project try to reach them, they meditate and call them mentally and vector them in from outer space right to where the humans are gathered. That shows that we humans have the ability to project our thoughts to a very great distance out into space.
It was noted that Ingo Swann, a government remote viewer, demonstrated his ability to psychically visit the planet Jupiter and report scientific observations accurately and were confirmed by the Jupiter probe that we sent out six years later. They laughed when he mentioned the rings around Jupiter but they didn't see them until the probe sent back pictures.
I had the experience of standing out in my yard one summer night and wording a prayer while looking up into the night sky, and a UFO heard me and rushed to the point in the sky at which I was looking, interrupting my prayer and then sped away into space in a straight vector from where I was standing. It was two or three times brighter than Venus. This demonstrated to me that ET's could hear me telepathically from a great distance, and could pin point where I was standing and even where I was looking, but are unable to communicate to us telepathically beyond a few feet, and if you really consider God's provisions for us living on this planet, it all makes sense. We should consider the idea that ET's cannot pray like we do, even if they wanted to, which is highly unlikely. The life that God has provided for us is actually very powerful in talking to the spiritual realm, but the average human is usually quite deaf in listening, being in the flesh as we are.5. They are deceptive and do not always appear as what they really are. They lie about coming from another star system.
6. They have tremendous power and like to show off. I have seen them do corkscrew maneuvers from our atmosphere into outer space and then right angle turns. I have seen them move at incredible speeds and stop without slowing down. The only time I have seen an abrupt end of motion like that was in an animation.
7. They tell us that they need to take reproductive material from us to make alien/human hybrids able to live on the earth. They say they lack living souls to survive in the flesh. So they need babies to be gestated from our seed and eggs in a forced impregnation and then taking babies from the womb before they are born naturally and before they receive a spirit from God. Somehow they are using those living human bodies for themselves to inhabit. This seems to support the idea that they cannot possess a human being that is already born and houses a human spirit. Possession appears to not be allowed any longer within the Kingdom of Christ. It was an ineffective procedure anyway when they did it in the first century.
The Disclosure Project run by Steven M. Greer gets all Spielberg-ish and thinks ET just wants to phoone hoome. But they are not considering that most all of the evil things that the Government is doing is at ET's behest and instigation. I understand that the US military has at least one in custody for learning and guidance. A retired General that I read about back in 1997 or 98 said that "looking at that hideous thing was like a waking nightmare." I've tried to relocate that quote to no avail.
I cannot help but think the situation might be like what Rev.12:9; and 20:3-8 describes happened in the first century. That the nations were deceived. The deception then was that they were gods of the Pantheon. If that is so, (and I see no reason to believe otherwise), then the disclosure project with their "Hello Kitty" attitudes are just promoting the deception that they are extra-terrestrials. They quote John Mack's books knowing full well that his research was concluding the same thing I'm saying before he got accidented - and they find feel-good ways to excuse ET's nightmarish behavior. I am sure that ET's can act friendly and play in the sky for us while we watch, but that only serves their long term goals. Psychic Mediums talk to them all the time as familiar spirits. Many people use to talk with them through Ouija Boards, until they were finally told that they were demons. Now everyone is afraid to use the device. Good.
Deception:
So, what is the deception? It would be their claim that the world needs a global government and a world dictator in order to join the galactic community as a member in their "Federation of Planets." That goes along with their claim of coming from another star system. (Do you feel your Roddenberry programming kicking in?) This lie would of course be in the context of the fact that God already has a world wide Kingdom and is ruling over the nations and not wanting all the nations to be enslaved so that we can continue in relative freedom to pursue our individual missions to find and know Him. Demons only wish to ruin that for us and try to derail God's purpose for his creation of mankind - the great reason WHY we are here on the earth. It could also be that they have been waiting for the Jewish (so called) oligarchs to corrupt the populations of the world to the point that the judgement of God will come down on the world and destroy most of the people in order to start over. They tell all the abductees that there is going to be a massive cataclysm to wipe out most of the population. They want to be part of the rebuilding to bring about a utopia.Despite what Obama and the Jews say, for the last two hundred years the US has had a culture based on Christianity with laws based upon the righteousness and the commandments of God. Ours was, for all practical purposes, a "Christian" nation. We, in the name of Jesus Christ, have been preserving the entire world from dissolution, corruption and the evil darkness of destruction, (the salt of the earth).
The darkness in the Old Testament days before Christ, is now gone and the true spiritual light now shines. The darkness has tried many times to reestablish itself over the world and even now is slowly gaining ground. The real battle line is Belief over against Disbelief, Faith as opposed to Disobedience to God. Why would there be such a pronounced anti-Christian push from them otherwise? The demons really hate you, but they hated God before they hated you. I don't think that they are hiding themselves to be sneaky, I think they are afraid. They really fear God and they would not dare to touch one of His children. That is why during an abduction, all one has to do is call out for Jesus to help you - and they vamoose.
No, I don't think that they succeed in their plans. But they will destroy a whole lot of people in the attempt. There might be a cyclical aspect to it all, because the deception mentioned in Revelation also included a reaping of all the evil on the earth and a renewed demonstration of God's power and sovereignty. Of course, I think that will be done in such a way that you would have to believe in Him to see His hand in it. There is always a carnal deniability to a spiritual event.
Or is that just the scientific method? :-)
Again, this is all speculation from what I have concluded from research and experience. I will add to it and correct it as I learn more about it.But you have to admit, that evil hides what it is doing in the darkness.
Educated guesses depend on your education.
Is ET good or evil. What do you all think?
Just say, NO, and call on Jesus.
Question from the web:
"If high-tech ETs are behind the abduction madness, why would one's belief in God stop abductions cold? Such Jesus laced utterances would not have stopped earthbound evils, so why would they halt highly advanced and technologically sophisticated ETs from abducting?"
Several years ago I asked the same question about the ET's after having read John Mack's book, "Abduction". The conclusion I came to was that the ETs and familiar spirits (Inner Terrestrials), are one and the same. That is, that the ETs are inter-dimensional beings and are evil, an assessment based on their behavior. (The main evil is disobedience and rebellion against God and his creation.) They give abductees the line that they are from other planets which they have destroyed and are waiting for the earth to catastrophically wipe out most of the human population so that they can inhabit the earth. But they have to adapt genetically to survive here on earth and so they tell us that they have an inbreeding or hybridization project. This goes along with the highly documented Cattle Mutilation program, and the abducting of live animals in broad daylight, as a team of Washington State forest workers witnessed, sighting an elk being hauled away into the sky - as if they are making a space-based "Noah's Ark". It also goes along with the notion that there was a deal with our government: i.e. technology for abduction privileges.
It could be that there is, like always, a grain of truth in the lies. That there is going to be a massive catastrophe is something that might be in our future since most all psychics have seen the same thing coming since 1968. But if you know anything at all about the physical universe, the idea that ET's are from other planets is a very hard to swallow. Their "haunt" could be much closer to the earth.
Ingo Swan in his book "Penetration" says he remote viewed the back side of the moon and saw the gigantic towers with green lights and a base that had large-eyed "Grays" along with human-looking beings working there. A "Mr. Axelrod," a US government agent who was interviewing and testing Ingo's abilities said, "You can see that, then?" [p.50] Showing that he was fully aware of what was there.
At a remote lake in the US he says that he also witnessed a gigantic UFO that came to get water and carry it back to the Moon. This UFO "appeared" that is, it grew into the space over the lake from nothing. He and another man had staked out the lake having heard reports of this water hauling operation. There seems to be an inter-dimensional aspect to the ETs who come and go just by appearing."The Deceit" is something that the demons (if they are such) are doing to deceive the nations. And since the nations are generally controlled by evil men, they readily believe the lies. What the deception is, might pertain to their true nature (not space men but demons who were cast out) and their real agenda behind the inbreeding could be something along the lines of do-it-yourself incarnation.
It is my belief that the Earth belongs to man and not man to the Earth. It is our domain. Any confident feeling or assertion of a God given Right and a territorial defiance in the name of Jesus, should deflate any of the abductions. They have no right. They are out of bounds. The son of Man has dominion here. We are the sheep of Jesus our Shepherd, but to anyone else - we are the Lords of the Earth.
Here's a lot of interesting quotes on ET and UFO’s back before 1999.
"The idea that men, women, and children can be taken against their wills from their homes, cars, and school yards by strange humanoid beings, lifted onto spacecraft, and subjected to intrusive and threatening procedures is so terrifying, and yet so shattering to our notions of what is possible in our universe, that the actuality of the phenomenon has been largely rejected out of hand or bizarrely distorted in most media accounts."
~ John E. Mack, M.D., professor of psychiatry at Harvard from his book "Abduction"
"But the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors. It actually molds itself in order to fit a given culture." ~ John Ankerberg, "The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena"
"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception." ~ Dr. Jacques Vallee, "Messengers of Deception"
"We are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon which is
largely indigenous to planet earth." ~ Brad Steiger, [cited in] "Blue Book Files Released"
"We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us." ~ Terrence McKenna
"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are
interstellar spaceships." ~ Arthur C. Clarke, New York Times Book Review, 07/27/75
"There seems to be no evidence yet that any of these craft or beings originate from outer space." ~ Gordon Creighton, Official 1992 "Flying Saucer Review" Policy Statement
"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestation and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena." ~ Lynn E. Catoe, "UFOs and Related Subjects: USGPO, 1969; prepared under AFOSR Project Order 67-0002 and 68-0003
"UFO behaviour is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it... the
modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical."
~ Dr. Pierre Guerin, FSR Vol. 25, No. 1
"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon..." ~ John A. Keel, "UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse"
"A working knowledge of occult science...is indispensable to UFO
investigation." ~ Trevor James, FSR Vol. 8, No. 1
"Studies of flying saucer cults repeatedly show that they are part of a larger occult social world." ~ Stupple & McNeece, 1979 MUFON UFO Symposium Proceedings
"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks." ~ Dr. Jacques Vallee, "Confrontations"
"[The occultist] is brought into intelligent communication with the spirits of the air, and can receive any knowledge which they possess, or any false impression they choose to impart...the demons seem permitted to do various wonders at their request." ~ G.H. Pember, "Earth's Earliest Ages and Their Connection with Modern Spiritualism and Theosophy" (1876)
"These entities are clever enough to make Strieber think they care about him. Yet his torment by them never ceases. Whatever his relationship to the entities, and he increasingly concludes that their involvement with him is something 'good,' he also remains terrified of them and uncertain as to what they are." ~ John Ankerberg, "The Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena"
"I became entirely given over to extreme dread. The fear was so powerful that it seemed to make my personality completely evaporate... 'Whitley' ceased to exist. What was left was a body and a state of raw fear so great that it swept about me like a thick, suffocating curtain, turning paralysis into a condition that seemed close to death...I died and a wild animal appeared in my place." ~ Whitley Strieber, "Communion"
"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might even be more than life and death. It might be a struggle for my soul, my essence, or whatever part of me might have reference to the eternal. There are worse things than death, I suspected... so far the word demon had never been spoken among the scientists and doctors who were working with me...Alone at night I worried about the legendary cunning of demons...At the very least I was going stark, raving mad." ~ Whitley Strieber, "Transformation"
"I wondered if I might not be in the grip of demons, if they were not making me suffer for their own purposes, or simply for their enjoyment." ~ Whitley Strieber, "Transformation"
"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell on earth to be
there [in the presence of the entities], and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't get away. I'd lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and sinister. Of course they were demons. They had to be. And they were here and I couldn't get away." ~ Whitley Strieber, "Transformation"
"Why were my visitors so secretive, hiding themselves behind my consciousness. I could only conclude that they were using me and did not want me to know why...What if they were dangerous? Then *I* was terribly dangerous because I was playing a role in acclimatizing people to them." ~ Whitley Strieber, "Transformation"
"The symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiation ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture... the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals...the UFO beings of today belong to the same class of manifestation as the [occult] entities that were described in centuries past." ~ Dr. Jacques Vallee
"Illusion, thinking it is reality, takes reality for illusion." ~ Boris Mauravieff
"Who needs aliens when we have psychopaths." ~ Unknown
"It is fair to conclude that hybridization is part of the picture. People are being abducted against their will. [Alien] forces seem to be conducting genetic experimentation and acting on us to create a hybrid species." ~ Richard Dolan
"Humans have a deep need to believe in the power of good. We need for the aliens to be a good force, since we feel so helpless in their presence. And we need for some superior force to offer us a hope of salvation, both personally and globally, when we consider the sorry state of the world.
"I think the aliens know this about us - they know that we want and hope for them to be benevolent creatures - and they use our desire for goodness to manipulate us. What better way to gain our cooperation than to tell us that the things they are doing are for our own good?" ~ Dr. Karla Turner
"And it becomes clear from these details that the beings who are doing such things can't be seen as spiritually enlightened, with the best interest of the human race in mind. Something else is going on, something far more painful and frightening, in many, many abduction encounters.
"As to researchers who claim that the ET's are here to help us evolve some higher consciousness or that they are here for some other positive purpose - saving out planet, promoting world peace, etc. - I challenge those researchers to incorporate anomalous data into this view.
"Theories are starting places for research, not proven conclusions, and UFO researchers must be willing to expand and alter their pet theories according to the data they uncover. It would be wonderful if we could shape ET experiences into something positive, but until the details of abduction encounters - all the details - are given serious consideration, I think it's dangerous to cling to theories that ignore data that will not fit. We owe it to ourselves to seek the whole truth." ~ Dr. Karla Turner
Books:
- High Strangeness: Hyperdimensions and the Process of Alien Abduction - Laura Knight-Jadczyk
- The Wave Series - Laura Knight-Jadczyk
- The Secret History of the World - Laura Knight-Jadczyk
- Bringers of the Dawn - Barbara Marciniak
- The Ra Material - Carla Rueckert, Don Elkins, and Jim McCart
- UFO's and the National Security State: The Chronology of a Cover-up - Richard M. Dolan
- Taken: Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda - Karla Turner, Ph.D
- Masquerade of Angels - Karla Turner, Ph.D
- Into the Fringe - Karla Turner, Ph.D
- The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships - Eve Lorgen
- The Threat - David M. Jacobs, Ph.D
- Operation Trojan Horse - John Keel
- Gods of Eden - William Bramley
- Alien Agenda - Jim Marrs
- The Stargate Conspiracy - Picknet and Prince
- DMT -- The Spirit Molecule - Dr. Rick Strassman
- The Active Side of Infinity - Carlos Castaneda
- In Search of the Miraculous - P.D. Ouspensky
- Gnosis - Boris Mouravieff
- Political Ponerology - Andrew M. Lobaczewski
- The Mask of Sanity - Hervey Cleckley
Websites: Many of these are outdated so I removed many of them. If the links do not work, then that is the cause.
- International Center for Abduction Research
http://www.ufoabduction.com
- The Alien Love Bite
http://www.alienlovebite.com
- The Ra Material
http://www.lawofone.info
- Bringers of the Dawn
http://www.pleiadians.com/dawn.html
- Political Ponerology
http://www.ponerology.com
Articles:
- Introduction to "The Alien Love Bite" by Eve Lorgen
http://www.alienlovebite.com/articles...
LW